EE 420L – Engineering Electronics II Lab

Lab 2: Operation of a Compensated Scope Probe

 

By: Shadden Abdalla

Email address: abdals1@unlv.nevada.edu

Due: Wednesday February 6, 2019

 

Prelab: watch scope probe video and know how to use bode plots.

 

 

This lab contains seven parts:

1.    Scope waveforms of a 10:1 probe undercompensated, overcompensated, and compensated correctly.

2.  A comment on where the type of scope probe is set on the scope

3.  The draft of a schematic of a 10:1 scope probe showing the 9MEG resistor, 1 MEG scope input resistance, capacitance of the cable, scope input capacitance, and capacitance in probe tip.

4.  Circuit analysis and algebra showing that the voltage on the input of the scope is 0.1 the voltage on the probe tip.

5.  An experiment using a scope, pulse generator and a resistor that measures the capacitance of a length of cable. It will also have a comparison of the results found in the capacitance meter. This also has hand calculations.

6.  A built voltage divider using two 100k resistors with a 0 to 1V pulse at 1MHz to the input of the divider. This will show the measurement when probing with a cable > 3 ft and a compensated scope probe. This will also have a discussion of the differences.

7.  A discussion about how to implement a test point on a printed circuit board (PCB) so that a known length of the cable could be connected directly to the board and not load the circuitry on the board.

  

 

Part 1: Scope waveforms of a 10:1 probe undercompensated, overcompensated, and compensated correctly.

 

We changed the compensation using a little screwdriver and adjusting the screw in the probe. When it is undercompensated, the signal should look like it is still rising. When it is overcompensated, it should look like it has risen too highly and then started to go back down. Correct compensation should give a straight line.

 This is the undercompensated scope probe. The signal is still rising because the capacitance is too small. Correct compensation should have the correct amount of capacitance so that the circuit rises fully and quickly.

 

 This is the correctly compensated scope probe with the correct amount of capacitance, ensuring that the circuit rises quickly enough to create a perfect line.

 

  This is the overcompensated scope probe and it contains too much capacitance, which causes the signal to rise too quickly, whereas the undercompensated scope probe has too little capacitance which causes the signal to rise too slowly.

 

 

Part 2: A comment on where the type of scope probe is set on the scope

 

 I used a 10:1 scope probe. You can see that value says 10X which shows that it is a 10:1 scope probe. On the actual oscilloscope there is a setting where you can change the compensation setting based on the type of probe you are using. It should be in the channel setting. Here I have it set to 10X because my scope is a 10X scope.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Part 3: The draft of a schematic of a 10:1 scope probe showing the 9MEG resistor, 1 MEG scope input resistance, capacitance of the cable, scope input capacitance, and capacitance in probe tip.

 

This LTSpice schematic shows the capacitances and resistances that exist in the scope. The calculations to the right support how the input is ten times the output, which is what the 10X probe does.

 

 

 

Part 4: Circuit analysis and algebra showing that the voltage on the input of the scope is 0.1 the voltage on the probe tip.

I solved the circuit by combining two impedances, solving using the two impedances by modeling a voltage divider, and then finding the ratio which was 10:1 just as predicted.

 

 

 

Part 5: An experiment using a scope, pulse generator and a resistor that measures the capacitance of a length of cable. It will also have a comparison of the results found in the capacitance meter. This also has hand calculations.

 

We made an RC circuit using:

       Resistor value: 100kohms

       Capacitor: the coax cable

 

       By simulating the RC circuit, we can find the time delay, rise time and period of the circuit and use those values to find the capacitance. At the end the measurement of the capacitance will confirm the values from the simulations.

 

Below is a photo of the circuit on the breadboard. You can see the black and red lead of the coax cable used as a capacitor connected to the resistor. To the right is a wider shot showing the coax cable as a capacitor.

  

 

The input signal I used was a square signal of 15kHz and a 1V amplitude.

 

To solve for the capacitance, I simulated the circuit on the oscilloscope and measured the rise time. Using the rise time, I used the formula:

 

Rise time = 2.2*RC to find the value. You can see that the rise time is 36.05ns.

Rise time = 2.2RC

36.05ns = 2.2 * 100k * C

C = 1.63* 10^-4nF (calculated value)

Actual value of C = 0.1030nF

 

ANALYSIS:

The value I calculated versus the value I found on the multimeter is off about 1pF. It is very normal for it to be different because of various factors that exist in practical simulation versus ideal calculations. The length of the cable and the resistance, and the impedances of all the cables connected to the practical circuit all affect the result. It is very unlikely that the result would be exactly the same in both calculation and simulation, however, the answer is similar.

 

Below is the multimeter measurement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Part 6: A built voltage divider using two 100k resistors with a 0 to 1V pulse at 1MHz to the input of the divider. This will show the measurement when probing with a cable > 3 ft and a compensated scope probe. This will also have a discussion of the differences.

 

NOTE: the signals in this part are overcompensated because when I did this part, I did not have the screwdriver needed to compensate it. I am aware of how to compensate it and I have photos of a compensated signal above.

 

WITH COMPENSATED SCOPE PROBE

To the left is a photo of the simple voltage divider circuit created on a breadboard. On the right of the breadboard you can see the compensated scope probe. The photo on the right shows the input, a 0 to 1V pulse with a frequency of 1MHz.

 

 

 

The signal measured with the compensated scope probe charges and discharges around 0.2V. It has a smaller capacitance which creates a smaller tau value, or a lower RC time constant.

 

WITH CABLE

When probing with the cable instead of a compensated scope probe, there is more capacitance so the signal should be flatter because of a larger tau value, or RC time constant. The larger time constant in response to a fast frequency makes it so that the signal cannot discharge. The signal above, measured with a compensated scope probe, charges and discharges with ease. This signal is attempting to do so, but is struggling because of the quick frequency. The input signal is the same as above.

 

 

  

 

 

Part 7: A discussion about how to implement a test point on a printed circuit board (PCB) so that a known length of the cable could be connected directly to the board and not load the circuitry on the board.

 

Printed circuit boards usually have coaxial cables connected to them for signal inputs. In order to create a test point that allows the board to handle the cable, one should connect a resistor and capacitor in parallel at the test point. The capacitor value varies regarding the compensation that the user desires, so the values are not specifically known. Adding a capacitor footprint makes it so that different capacitor values can be tested. Implementing a variable capacitor would be most ideal because calculations are not always the best indication of what is needed after a board is fabricated, so it is important for the user to be able to test the board and add capacitance as needed.

 

This simulation shows how a capacitor and resistor in parallel gives the same output that we built on the breadboard, because of the resistance and capacitance of the scope probe. The test point would be the output on node V(n002).

   

 

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